tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-83771381391991085692024-03-19T23:08:01.963-07:00Clemmys guttata: The spotted turtleMy experiences in their maintenance in captivity in a pond outdoors in Central Catalonia (Spain)Jordi Sabatéhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11077115538524942296noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377138139199108569.post-43404979461878883262014-07-29T14:40:00.002-07:002014-07-29T14:40:29.707-07:00Seventh and last week of incubationSunday morning<br />
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Curiously, when I touched one egg to take pictures, the more external layer of the shell fell off<br />
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On Monday, one of the eggs hatched. 51 days of incubation.<br />
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Today, on Tuesday, the other two are hatching. 52 days of incubation<br />
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Jordi Sabatéhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11077115538524942296noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377138139199108569.post-8771911926485442872014-07-22T14:05:00.002-07:002014-07-22T14:05:25.172-07:0042 days of incubationThe egg seen from above. The turtle occupies all the space.<br />
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The egg seen laterally<br />
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Jordi Sabatéhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11077115538524942296noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377138139199108569.post-81189299550971930762014-07-13T15:49:00.003-07:002014-07-13T15:49:59.658-07:00Fifth week of incubationThe egg seen from above<br />
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Jordi Sabatéhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11077115538524942296noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377138139199108569.post-4313595269597665782014-07-10T15:28:00.001-07:002014-07-10T15:28:51.873-07:00More about dented eggs<div style="text-align: justify;">
Casually, today I have seen a Trachemys scripta elegans with egg retention. It is kept in a place without soil and it can't lay the eggs. They have been removed using oxytocine. <br />
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Some of the eggs are dented. Trachemys scripta lay soft shelled eggs.<br />
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The two next pictures are from the same egg. Originally the dent was on the right pole of the egg. If some pressure is applied with the finger on the left pole, the internal pressure in the right pole increases and the dent dissappears . A new dent has appeared on the left pole, the one that received the external pressure.</div>
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When the egg is being layed, one of the poles is out but the other is still in the cloaca. The half that is in the cloaca is under the external pressure caused by the musculature that tries to push it out. The half that is out of the body is under the internal pressure caused by the content of the egg that is being squeezed in the pole that still is in. When the egg is out, the pole that received the external pressure in the last moment, the last to come out, presents a dent. <br />
If you apply pressure in one of the poles of the Trachemys eggs with all the fingers of a hand, trying to copy the pressure that the cloaca makes when it is pushing the egg out, the dent jumps from one pole to another depending on which pole is submited to pressure. It is quite funny.</div>
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I don't know why only one of the Clemmys eggs was dented. Is it possible that the shell of that egg was slightly thinner than the others making it more deformable? Or that for some reason this egg had less internal pressure than the others making it more responsive to pressure?</div>
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Two days ago the turtle released four eggs after more than 12 hour trying to dig a nest .</div>
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Today it was summer again, with a sunny day and an evening temperature of 24ºC. Today the turtle made a nest. She begun at 18:00 and it was finished at 22:00.</div>
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This time she has chosen a sandy area and she has done it very quickly, 4 hours. Sometimes, before they lay the eggs, they make trial nests but then they don't bother to cover them. This time it was a proper nest, covered carefully.</div>
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Just in case I was mistaken when I palpated her, I opened the nest chamber. It was empty.<br />
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Two days ago the Cemmys didn't make a proper nest. She didn't lay the eggs and carefully put them into the nest chamber, pressing them with the legs and finally covering the nest again. She just expelled the eggs and went away. It looks as though somehow in her brain she was not conscious of having layed the eggs and she still had the urge to make a nest and lay the unnexistant eggs. </div>
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Last year I injected oxytocine to a friend's Terrapene. He had them in pine cork substrate and I think it didn't let them build a proper nest. They carried the eggs for several weeks and were making trial nests day after day. So they were injected oxytocine and they layed the eggs. But then it happened something similar to today's performance: they still kept digging nests although they didn't carry eggs. The only difference is that they didn't cover those nests.</div>
Jordi Sabatéhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11077115538524942296noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377138139199108569.post-4945175935025718492014-07-07T13:58:00.002-07:002014-07-10T16:00:42.070-07:00Fourth week of incubation and second clutchThe egg seen from above<br />
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There has been a problem. I have to add water from time to time to the incubator. When I do it I switch off the heater. Last thursday I forgott to switch it on when I finished. This morning when I opened it the temperature was 20ºC instead of 30ºC but I don't think it affects the embryos. Two years ago I incubated one egg outdoors and it reached 12ºC and almost every night it reached the 20ºC. <br />
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This summer is strange. Since the beginning of June we have afternoon thunderstoms every other day and temperatures are lower than usual, especially nocturnal ones. Today it is nearly a month since the Clemmys layed the first clutch. I palpated the eggs some weeks ago, but the female retained them until yesterday when we had a warmer day. </div>
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The female always nests in the same places, one in the west side of the pond, the other in the east side. She always changes from one to another among two consecutive clutches. It seems she somehow remembers where she layed the fisrt clutch and decides to lay the second one in a distant place. Maybe it is a way to lower the chances of nest predation, or a way to avoid digging out the eggs of the first clucth laying the second one. It might also be a way to increase the chances of nest survival because of different microclimates in different places, which could also affect the sex of the hatchlings. <br />
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For the second clutch she chose the west side. And there have been some problems. She began digging the nest yesterday evening (I saw her at 21:30). This morning, at 10:00, she was still digging in the same place. 12 hour making a nest and still not finished. </div>
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According to David Carroll descriptions in his books, this turtle lays the eggs during the night to avoid the heat of the sun. A dark and small turtle can overheat easilly under the sun in land. About 10:00 the sun reached her<br />
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I doubted but finally I picked her up to have a look. She dug a nest but there were no eggs. Could it be a dystocia? I left her in the same place again. When I came back a few minutes later I saw three eggs an no turtle. I saw her in the water section and I caught her. I palpated her and she was still carrying eggs. I put her in a bucket without water. While I was picking up the eggs my son told me the turtle was laying a fourth egg. It would have surelly been layed in the water if I had left the turtle in the pond. I palpated her again and this time I didn't feel eggs. <br />
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Once I picked up the eggs I examined the nest chamber. It was very shallow. The earth was very hard. When I disturbed her she just expelled the eggs and went to the water section carrying an egg that she would expell in less than two minutes. <br />
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A curious thing: the fourth egg has a shallow depression on the shell. I had seen this before<br />
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I had seen it in Terrapene carolina triunguis , in oxytocine induced clutches.<br />
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But if this was the explanation I think I would see it in the radiography, at least in some eggs. And it appears in all the eggs and exactly in the same place, dorsal as the eggs are layed. You can see it in the next pictures. If these were due to contact areas between the eggs, they would show it in diferent locations, not all exactly in the same place.</div>
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I even thought if it could be some deformation of the passage of the eggs that caused it, but I discarded it when it happened with other terrapene. Always the same dent, the same size and exactly in the same place in freshly layed eggs. It dissapears during incubation. </div>
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I told about it to an expert chelonian keeper and his answer was quite logical: these are soft-shelled eggs. When they are being layed they collapse a little bit and a dent appears. Once incubation starts and the egg resorbs water the inner pressure increases and the dent dissappears.</div>
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Regarding Clemmys, also with solf-shelled eggs, I had never seen it in previous clutches. And only in one egg of today's clutch. The only difference with previous clutches is that they have been retained more than usual and that the eggs have been picked up just as they are layed.<br />
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I marked the eggs and put them in the incubator. This time I have weighted and measured them. I will repeat it by the end of incubation.</div>
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1) 6g. 30,32mm x 18,31mm x 18,32mm<br />
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4) 5g. 26,43mm x 18,48mm x 18,28mm<br />
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Later, at 18:00, 8 hours after putting them to the incubator, the eggs start chalking, an indicator of fertility.<br />
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The fourth egg is still dented<br />
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Jordi Sabatéhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11077115538524942296noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377138139199108569.post-8423770384792657702014-07-01T06:01:00.000-07:002014-07-01T06:01:06.947-07:00Third week of incubationThe egg seen from above.<br />
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The egg seen from one side (keeping it in vertical position) <br />
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Yesterday I palpated the female to check if she was still carrying eggs. She was. I also took a picture of her back end. I do not recall that the supracaudal scutes were so brown. Maybe I didn't notice, but it could also be that in the process of wear/growth of the keratin layer the background color became more obvious in comparison to previous years. </div>
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Jordi Sabatéhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11077115538524942296noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377138139199108569.post-36325160714856307772014-06-25T07:35:00.000-07:002014-06-25T07:35:08.033-07:0014th day of incubationSecond week of incubation.<br />
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Now the light beam is directed ventrodorsally. Blood vessels can be seen in one side, near the end of the egg (top left in the picture) <br />
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Now the light beam is directed latero-laterally. The blood vessels can be seen in the lower part of the egg (bottom right in the picture)<br />
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When I made this picture I didn't rotate the egg. I leaned it on the thumb while keeping the egg in a vertical position. It seems that the embryo is forming near one of the poles of the egg, ventrally and lateral. I made a mistake not marking the top of the egg. Now I am not sure if the egg could have been slightly rotated without noticing while handling it to take the pictures. It shouldn't be a problem for the embryo but now I am not sure if this is the position where the embryo started developing. I will mark them for future pictures. I will also mark the eggs of the second clutch (wich I can already palpate) to compare the development.<br />
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Regarding egg handling, it is interesting what A.C.Highfield wrote in "Practical Encyclopedia of keeping and breeding Tortoises and Freshwater turtles" pg31. He made experiments gently turning eggs in mid incubation. It didn't affect the egg viability, although some tortoises hatched turned.<br />
He considers that it is a myth that you have to collect the eggs exactly in the same position they were buried. It is later, when the embryo is forming, that it is more suceptible to movement and rotation. <br />
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I have made a quick search in internet about the effects of rotation of chelonian eggs during incubation but I didn't find any specific study. There is plenty of advice against rotating them and embrionary failures attributed to rotation but I couldn't find an specific study about it. I will have a look at the references in the books I have home.<br />
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With the light of a torch I don't see any change since last week. The other eggs look the same.<br />
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Jordi Sabatéhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11077115538524942296noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377138139199108569.post-14639166970710567652014-06-10T04:10:00.002-07:002014-06-10T04:10:33.348-07:00First eggs 2014After some cool and rainy weeks, Saturday was the first summer day of the year, with temperatures over 30ºC . Around 6 o'clock in the afternoon, the female was in the land area. I quickly moved away. If she noticed I was looking at her in that moment, she would flie away to the water. She always does. I had to go and when I came back at 9, she was already nesting. With this female, once nesting, she doesn´t mind being observed. In fact some years ago I took very close pictures of her while she was nesting. <br />
She nested under some plants, as usual.<br />
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I left her digging and I came back at midnight. She was still in the same place and I went to bed. <br />
Next morning I was surprised to see how well hidden the nest was. If I had not seen the female nesting, I wouldn´t have seen it.<br />
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The female gets under the plants and then starts digging. The same behavior is shown in most of the pictures of previous years. This is why the plants look intact when she has finished. <br />
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But there is no chance because I put the three eggs to the incubator<br />
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I will take pictures each week during the incubation to see the development . This first picture is 9 hours after the eggs were laid. <br />
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12 hous later, at 30ºC, it seems that a white patch appears on the upper surface of the eggs.<br />
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<br />Jordi Sabatéhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11077115538524942296noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377138139199108569.post-31896791250730874252014-05-28T06:11:00.000-07:002014-05-28T06:15:46.019-07:00Ready to lay eggs<div style="text-align: justify;">
I palpated the female 15 days ago and I felt it carried eggs. When this females carries eggs, the skin in the inguinal area protudes as you can see in the picture. This could also mean obesity, but this time it meant eggs.<br />
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Since then we have had rainy days with cool temperatures, specially at night, below 10ºC. I guess she won't lay the eggs until the weather gets warmer.<br />
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I use this post to show the pictures of two other chelonians I saw in a well known building from Barcelona some weeks ago. Each of them carries one column on its back.<br />
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The building is the Sagrada Família , an architectural marvel designed by Antoni Gaudí i Cornet.<br />
I had visited it 30 years ago, when there were just two sides build. Since they finished the inside I was looking forward to visit is again. Gaudí used nature as an inspiration for his architecture. He said nature chooses the more fuctional and economical solutions to a problem. He designed a catedral full of light with plenty of architectural innovations, such as columns that branch out like trees .<br />
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But in my opinion, when it becomes extraordinary is when you get inside. You get into a enormous space full of light and color, with columns that brach out and a ceiling full of light. There is no need to know the architecture behind it, that is also impressive, to understand that Gaudí was a genius<br />
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I attach some pictures and links. As soon as the turtle lays the eggs I will come back to the blog thematic<br />
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The vegetation is an esential part of the pond as it filters water. The sand of the bottom is also important as it suports the plants roots and allows bacteria and invertebrates to play their role in cleaning the water.<br />
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Another problem is that although the pond is filled to the brim, the day after the level has dropped about 10cm. I don't think it is a hole. Rather, I think it may be due to a problem of capilatity through areas where water and ground contact.<br />
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Today, we are having a spring day. With a clean sky and 16ºC in the shadow, under the sunlight the temperature is very comfortable. But March is a impredictible month. Three years ago, after a spring like week, the weather changed suddenly and it started snowing. <br />
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But as I said, today things are different. The almond tree, reckless, is already in full bloom. Sometimes it starts in early February. Birds, insects...and specially the light make you feel the spring is here. <br />
The sun moves higher in the sky and we have more light. In days like this, one of most relaxing things you can do is just sit under the sunlight in a quiet place and observe around. And I was just doing that when I saw the first wall lizards, up and down.<br />
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This species migrates. We have populations that stay here all the year round, increased by nothern populations in the winter. This one has the wings in poor condition, but manages to fly normally. It was just hibernating a few days ago. <br />
It is a very confident butterfly, that allows you to take pictures easily. But today I could take pictures of her with my telephone, less than 20 cm from her. I don't recall them being so confident in the summer. I used to see them when I was a child in the summer afternoons, with the last direct sunlight of the day, that sunlight with a special color. They sunbathed with the wings completely extended on a wall or on the ground. In my land some people call them "papallona de tarda d'estiu", wich means summer afternoon butterfly. </div>
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And I could also take pictures of a <em>Macroglossum stellatarum</em>. When I see them I always think of hummingbirds, as they move they wings very fast and stay still in the air while they feed from the flowers, just like these birds do. They are butterflies.</div>
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I took the Clemmys hatchlings out of the shed were they have been for the last months and I put them in a tank outdoors. Althouth it will probably freeze some nights, they are not in danger because it won't be cold enough to frezze all the water. From sunrise to noon temperatures can vary 20ºC in early spring. At noon, unless it is cloudy, turtles will be very active.<br />
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Regarding the adults, today I saw the male. This winter has been very mild, the pond surface has not frozen even a single day. <br />
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The turtles that I had in the other pond have been hibernated in the shed like the hatchlings. I could not check them properly in the other pond during the winter . I have put them also in a tank outdoors until the winter is completely over. They inmediatly started sunbathing and later they ate an earthworm.<br />
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<br />Jordi Sabatéhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11077115538524942296noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377138139199108569.post-74713535136187185582013-10-24T13:25:00.002-07:002013-10-24T13:25:49.629-07:00Why does Clemmys guttata have spots?<div style="text-align: justify;">
When I look for the <i>Clemmys</i> in the pond, I look for yellow spots. When they swam under the ice, it was the spots that took my attention. The spots make finding the <i>Clemmys</i> easier. Yellow is the color that constrasts more on black, to the extent that other animals, such as wasps or fire salamanders, use this combination as an aposematic coloration, a warning to potential predators.<br />
Other turtles also have spotted carapaces, such as <i>Emys orbicularis</i> or <i>Emydoidea blandingii. </i>Are the spots just a nature caprice or there is another reason for it?<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="font-size: 13px;">When they are wet the colors are more stunning</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Yellow spots help me to find them when they are inside the filamentous algae</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="font-size: 13px;">Good camouflage, but do the spots help in it or just do the opposite?</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="font-size: 13px;">When they are dry the color is duller. Good comouflage on this substrate</td></tr>
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The predominant color in <i>Clemmys guttata</i> is black, and it is probably related with thermoregulation. They use to live in cold places and it is one of the first turtles to emerge in spring. Then the black color is an advantage.<br />
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Regarding the yellow spots, in the book <i>Turtles of the United States and Canada</i> it says they could imitate duckweed (<i>Lemna sp</i>) and other acquatic plants common in the wetlands that this species inhabits, making detection by predators more difficult. I found a paper on the subject<br />
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Looking for information about camouflage, it says that in very vegetated habitats, such as jungles or forests, the combination of filtered light with the ground, plants, stones, trunks...makes a spotted or stripped animal less defined, its shape fades with the environment (young deer, felines...) <br />
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Is it possible then that the spots are useful for camouflage? In the pond where I have them they have the opposite effect, they make the turtle more visible. Do they make them more unnoticed in their natural habitat? I don't have the answer, but to assess camouflage you have to see the animal in the habitat. I saw it very clearly with <i>Testudo hermanni</i>. This tortoise in a garden stands out, but in the habitat it is different<br />
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They are not always so well hidden, but they still ressemble the tones of the environment.<br />
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So, it would be interesting to see the <i>Clemmys</i> in their habitat, underwater and in land, to check if the spots help to make them unnoticed.<br />
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It would also be interesting to see things from the perspective of their predators (racoons, skunks, otters...). We are a very visual species, we see in detail and many colors. Other species see differently. In a conference done by the Societat Catalana d'Herpetologia (SCH), one talk was about sight in wall lizards. These lizards, like chelonians, see down to the UV spectrum. Females see tones in males that we don't perceive. The speaker talked about antropomorphism by omission: the one that takes place when by deffault we assume that the sensory abilities of the species that we study are similar to ours.<br />
This is a link to the study, but I only found it written in Catalan.<br />
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I remember a conversation with a biologist that studies T. hermanni in the wild. Once they used trained dogs to count the number of tortoises in a territory. He realized how differently do humans and dogs use vision. The dog was searching by scent and although it often passed near tortoises that the human eye catched easily, the dog didn't see them. He found them by scent.</div>
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Something similar happens with cats. Sometimes a cat sees a dog at some distance and stays completely quite, frozen. Very often the dog passes by without seing it. We, humans, use to see it.<br />
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In this website I found the etymology of the name <i>Clemmys guttata</i>. It says that <i>Clemmys</i> comes from the greek <i>Klemmys</i> (tortoise) and <i>guttata </i>from the latin <i>gutta</i> (gout)</div>
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The male born in August 2011 is growing nicely. It looks as though new spots are appearing in the growth lines of the carapace, only on the marginal areas. </div>
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Although this is a Clemmys blog, today I will post some Testudo hermanni hermanni pictures.<br />
Catalonia has a native population of the western subspecies. It is very protected and it is forbidden to keep Testudo hermanni, never mind if they have been captive bred and have their CITES or they belong to the other subspecies, Testudo hermanni boettgeri.<br />
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The Catalan Environmental Department allows privates to collaborate in a captive breeding program of this species if some requirements (space, climate, security measures...) are achieved. The CRARC are the ones that inspect the facilities and organize and control the captive breeding program. The animals that privates obtain are used in a reintroduction program in areas from Catalonia where this species lived before. They are not used to reinforce the places where the native species still survive. The CRARC are the ones that run this program, and the ones that organize and control the privates collaboration.<br />
They borrowed me two males and three females, but the idea is to have 2 males and 8 females. They are kept in two separate groups.</div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">This female has some pyramiding from previous owner (it could be a decomised animal)</td></tr>
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This summer they have layed 2-3 times and the nests had between 4-6 eggs. I didn't notice some nests, but I knew they had layed for palpation. Most nests were in full sun but near the roots of plants and small bushes. <br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">A picture nearer. The ground in the laying area is "sauló"</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Another nest, under my shadow</td></tr>
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To increase the chances of success I incubated the eggs of more or less the half of the nests in a Jaeguer incubator.<br />
For some reason, the eggs incubated naturally failed. The place where I have them falls in the potential natural range for the species, so I thought it was strange.<br />
For comparison all the eggs in the incubator hatched. I know what to do next summer.<br />
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I bath them so they can hydrate, but in hot days, I sometimes water the area with the goose. And they do the same that they do in a summer thunderstorm in the wild, they quickly drink from the pudles before the water filtrates.<br />
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There was finally a second clutch of three eggs on July the 10th. I didn't see the turtle nesting, it was next morning when I felt on palpation that she didn't carry the eggs. I looked for the nest and I found it in the place she usually chooses. There were three eggs.</div>
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And yesterday, on August the 4th, the first clutch eggs hatched after 50 days at 30ºC. </div>
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The third hatchling picture was very bad.</div>
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But this was not the surprise of the day. The susprise was that the same day the female started digging a nest for a third clutch. A clutch in August!</div>
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I don't know why she nested so late. The main difference with previous years it that this July has been cooler and much more rainy than usual, but I don't know if this explains a third clutch. </div>
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What I know for sure is that it is fantastic when they do unexpected things. Certainly this is not a boring thing to observe this species behavior.</div>
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Jordi Sabatéhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11077115538524942296noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377138139199108569.post-33194369433014058432013-06-17T10:33:00.003-07:002013-06-17T10:33:57.341-07:00Eggs 2013<div style="text-align: justify;">
This Saturday at 19:39 the female was nesting. I couldn't watch her because I had to leave, but I have some pictures. The temperature was nice, 24ºC, maybe this explains why she was nesting so early (she usually nests at night). Two years ago she also nested in the afternoon.<br />
The hole was nearly finished, so I guess she started between 18:00 and 19:00.</div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">In vermiculite, ready for the incubator. I put them in the same position, but I don't think it happened anything bad if I had put them horizontal.</td></tr>
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This time there were three eggs. In previous years she had done 4 eggs in the first clutch and 3 eggs in a second clutch. I was expecting this clutch because I palpated the eggs some days ago, but I wonder if it could be a second clutch. I could have missed the first one. In previous years she had nested in May and we are in the second half of June. I have not palpated her regularly because I didn't want to disturb her too much. So, it could be that there is a first clutch somewhere. </div>
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The new couple is very shy. The pond is in a very quiet place and instead of becoming tame, they are becoming wild. When I get close to the pond I just see them throwing into the water, just like frogs do. <br />
There is plenty of duckweed in the pond now. It occupies all the surface excepte the moving water created by the aerator.<br />
I have put some fish to avoid mosquitoes. It is not the native mosquitoes that worry me, but a relativelly new mosquito, the "tiger mosquito" from Asia (Aedes albopictus) that came in 2004. This one stings during the day, an important difference with the common mosquito when you want to watch the turtles . The sting is also more painful and lasts for longer. In other countries it acts as a vector of dangerous human diseases, something that does not happen here fortunately, at least until now. </div>
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<br />Jordi Sabatéhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11077115538524942296noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377138139199108569.post-52546307977204213092013-05-11T13:34:00.001-07:002013-05-11T13:43:03.437-07:00New pond<div style="text-align: justify;">
I haven't written in this blog for some time because I don't want it to be repetitive. But some things have happened. At the end of last summer I bought a new female in poor condition: it was emaciated and stretched its neck to breathe opening the mouth. It had spent months in a basin in a shop. Maybe because of the few spots or because it already looked ill, nobody bought it. And the rest is easy to guess.<br />
It needed forced feeding by esophagic probe, antibiotics and deparasitation and it finally cured. When it started eating alone again, it was amazing: earthworms, snails and slugs, insects... all went inside.<br />
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It only has a tiny spot in each shield. This sober dress is also interesting. And to compensate for the little spots in the carapace, it has two big orange-red marks in the head.<br />
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I would have put it with the other Clemmys but a friend generously has borrowed me his unpaired male. And if the female looks sober, the male looks festive. In this case it is captive bred.<br />
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Both are young. The female measures 9,4 cm , the male 8,7. The male has mated with the female more than once. Although I think the female has a size to lay eggs, I don't think it does. I think it needs a summer feeding properly and some adaptation to the pond. If they ever breed, it will be curious to see what is obtained from this cross.</div>
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This year there are more wall lizards than ever. The combination of sun, water and herbaceous vegetation with many small invertebrates that there is in the pond enclosure provides them most they need. It only lacks, and I am thinking of putting it, a pile of rocks piled against the more sun exposed wall of the house. In the area where I live there are three other wall lizard species but this is the one that lives in more humanized areas. Watching them is very relaxing for me. They twist their head to assess whether you are a threat but if you move slowly they let you approach to a very close distance.<br />
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These lizards come off the tail with extreme ease. When they lose it, it makes strong contortions, it looks like it is alive. This distracts the predator while the lizard escapes. Whenever I see a tailless wall lizard, I think the trick has worked. The tail regenerates..<br />
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Some males have an orange coloration of the underside of the body, and some blue scales on the sides. However, it is not seen like that by the other lizards. In a conference by the Societat Catalana d'Herpetologia, one speaker made a talk about the color perception of these lizards, which like birds and chelonians, see the ultraviolet light. They just don't see things like we do.<br />
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I had not seen the turtles since the beginning of December, when I saw them mating in freezing water. Since then, the pond has frozen more than once, but I have not seen them. For me it is a mystery why sometimes the ice seems to activate them and others does not. One difference is that in the last freezing episodes, it was not too cold and the ice was very thin in the morning. Maybe it formed later and it melts sooner. Who knows what will happen next time the pond freezes properly, but I don't dare to say I will see them . </div>
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So, with or without ice, I had not seen them until today, when I have discovered where they are hiding. The stay under a cork bark, at a depth of 30cm, near the roots of a cattail. Both turtles side by side, you can see it with a little imagination in the last picture. </div>
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The cork bark only touches the water by one side, so it forms an air pocket. Although winter can freeze most of the pond, I don't think it happens in the water over the hibernacula, protected but a 4cm thick cork (and I neither think it happened the day they were moving under the ice, so, the passage of air to the pond was not blocked!). I will check it in the future. I also remembered of a picture I saw in an internet text about this species </div>
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I had not seen the turtles since September. I looked at the pond often, but the turtles had disappeared. One curious thing is that last year I used to see them every week in November and even December. Sometimes they sunbathed. One change that I have noticed since last year is that the bottom of the pond is more colonized by algae and plants, offering plenty of places to hide. The other change is that the male, for some reason, is more persistent in his attempts to mate with the female.</div>
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Sunday morning, at 10:00, the grass was frozen. The temperature was -3,2ºC and I felt the cold in my ears.</div>
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For the first time in the fall, the pond froze. And I saw the turtles, as it happened other times the pond freezes (see "water depth and August temperatures at different levels (28-11-11)"; "The turtles and the ice (09-02-12)" "It happened again (10-02-12)").</div>
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For some reason, sometimes, when the pond freezes, the turtles become active and I see them near the surface. Curiously I already see them in the early morning, when it is still freezing and there is no direct sunlight on the pond. They remain active until the afternoon, long after the ice has melted.<br />
When they are under the ice they move slowly . They are aware of my presence and if I get too close to them, they hide the head and move away. <br />
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The first time that I witnessed it I thought that the turtle needed to breath air and, impulsively, I broke the ice to examine the animal. Later I found some papers in internet about metabolic depression at low temperature, non pulmonary respiration and the probable anoxia tolerance of this species (see: Water quality (05-12-11)). There is a very interesting book about the physiology of turtles where there is plenty of information about it <br />
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The ice can alter the water oxygen levels as it prevents the passage of this gas from the atmosphere to the water. Could it be that this behavior when there is ice on the surface of the pond is related to the oxygen levels? I wonder how long does is take since the ice forms to have an effect in the water oxygen levels. I supose it depends on the pond characteristics (water movement, oxygen consumption, oxygen generation...). Regarding the aquatic plants and algae, I wonder how does the winter affect photosyntesis if it does, as this would alter the oxygen levels during the day and the night. Do the algae generate/consume oxygen in winter? They change to a very dull color and it is not until spring when they become green (and I can see bubbles on their surface).<br />
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I think the cold tolerance of this species is fascinating and it has disrupted all the schemes that I had about what is hibernation in turtles. And once I have become used to seeing them active in winter and I think they can no longer suprise me, this is what I witness some hours later. It is early December at noon, the air temperature is 6ºC and the water temperature at the turtles level is 3,09ºC. There is still some ice melting.</div>
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The turtles feel the winter is coming. In September I saw them occasionally. They stopped eating in mid-month. I haven't seen them since then. Maintenance work limits to picking up the leaves that fall on the water.<br />
The hatchlings also remain hidden. Night temperatures are close to the 0ºC, so, I took them out of the tank where I had them to hibernate in a safer place (cold but out of reach of frost). I found all the hatchlings between the roots of a plant, near the surface.<br />
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In the tank, if it was cold enough, frost could reach all the water. They are now in a bucket with little water and algae in a garden shed.<br />
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I am planning to build a new pond for the male. He chases the female whenever he sees her. I think this could be stressful for her, and I don't think this is a normal situation in the wild. In the books they say this species uses different ponds in different seasons. In spring they leave the waters where they have been hibernating and migrate to ponds. These congregation of animals in the same pond are useful in the mating season, when the sexes meet easily. Later, in the laying season, the animals would disperse.<br />
I guess that once the animal have dispersed , males chasing females would be only occasional, when they met casually. So, I think the best option would be to have a pond for the male and a pond for the female. Probably in the female's pond there could be more than one female. In the male's pond there should be only one male. In spring I would put the male with the female until the laying season. <br />
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This November two herpetological conferences will take place in Spain:<br />
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Jordi Sabatéhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11077115538524942296noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377138139199108569.post-46422556734147083482012-09-24T13:11:00.001-07:002013-05-04T12:51:53.236-07:00The terrapin incubating outdoors hatched<div style="text-align: justify;">
The egg that was incubating outdoors has hatched. But I have to confess that I cheated. </div>
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There was a problem: now that autumn is near the sun goes lower and my neighbor's house makes a shadow on the nest area until noon. At the same time the day is shortening and the last days were cool. Last week I couldn't resist any more and I dig the nest to see what was going on.</div>
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The egg was buried at a depth of 4,5cm. It looked all right, alive. I torched it and I saw there was a terrapin, but it didn't move and I didn't not if it was alive. Part of the egg looked empty and I thought the terrapin was immature . I put it in the incubator at 28ºC. To my surprise, next morning, before the 24 hours, the terrapin was hatching. </div>
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Now I regret having taken the egg as it has altered the experiment. Anyway, seeing the graphs and thinking about what has happened, I am sure the terrapin was already fully developed and it just needed some temperature to hatch. I am sure it would have hatched last weekend as it has been quite warm. Next summer I will be more patient.<br />
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Watching the terrapin has been a pleasure, but this time I was even more interested in the data logger data. Just a brief description of the situation:</div>
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The nest was at 4,5 cm depth. The data logger just by the egg. </div>
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The hottest days I watered the nest area, just in case it dried too much (it was very exposed to the sun and it has been a very hot summer). But I didn't want to alter the nest temperature. So I watered in the morning, when passed the night, the ground had lost the heat accumulated during the day.</div>
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<li>I put a data logger on the surface, to measure the air temperature. I couldn't put it exposed to the sun as it would overheat and the data would be wrong. So I protected it with a piece of wood but letting the air pass. The measured temperature is the one of the air about 7 cm from the ground. It is not the same than the one of the weather stations. These measure the temperature in standardized conditions so that they can compare the data in all the country. I have measured the temperature of a microclimate, an specific area of the pond, very close to the nest. In this case, the radiating temperature coming from the ground, the stones... can affect the data logger, but this is a more real situation for a terrapin, that would also experience those radiating temperatures. It is useful to compare what is happening inside the nest and outside the nest.</li>
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And these are the temperatures that this data logger has measured , in the shadow, close to the nest, between the 1st of July and the 31st of August.</div>
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The maximum temperature has been 43,73ºC. The minimum 12,11ºC. The mean temperature 25,2ºC. Almost every day temperatures were over 30ºC, often over 35ºC. The minimum have moved between 15 and 22ºC but one day they reached 12,11ºC.</div>
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And these are the temperatures of September from day 1 to a couple of days after hatching.<br />
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The mean temperature has been 18,54ºC. The maximum 32,38ºC and the minimum 10,99ºC.<br />
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<u>And this is what was happening underground, at 4,5 cm depth, in the nest, from the beginning of incubation until the end</u><u> (the last peak corresponds to the incubator)</u><br />
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The maximum temperature has been 32,75ºC the 21st of August. That day, on the shadow, temperatures reached 43,73ºC. I don't know the ground surface temperature over the nest, exposed to the sun, but I am sure it was much higher than the 43,73ºC. It is curious to see how does the temperature go down at just 4,5 cm depth.</div>
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The minimum temperature has been 14,36ºC. On the shadow the temperature was 10,99ºC.</div>
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During the incubation the temperatures were below 22ºC part of the day as you can see in the graph. Some days they were over the 28ºC. Five days they passed the 30ºC and three days they passed the 32ºC.</div>
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16 days the temperatures were below 18ºC for some hours, five days, also for some hours, they were below 16ºC.</div>
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Four days the maximum temperature didn't reach the 22ºC. </div>
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The mean temperature during the incubation has been 22,69ºC.</div>
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Would you buy an incubator like that?</div>
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In this species sex determination depends on the temperature when the gonads are developing. In Ernst&Lovich book it says at 22.5-27ºC males predominate, while over 30ºC they are always female. But as you can see in the graph we don't have a constant temperature. In a same day the temperature changes a lot. You can begin the day at incubating temperatures for male and at noon reach incubating temperature for female.<br />
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There are more peaks below than over 28ºC. It looks like male.<br />
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On the other hand, it is said that sex determination takes place in the middle third of incubation, when the gonads are developing. The incubation lasted 83 days. It started on the 1st of July. The middle third corresponds to the period between July the 28th and August the 24th. I will look at what happened in that period.<br />
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In the beginning I thought I needed the mean temperature.</div>
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The mean temperature in the middle third of incubation, (July 28 to August 24) is 24,61ºC. <br />
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Then I thought you can calculate it another way. Ernst and Lovich talk of incubation temperatures between 22.5ºC and over 30ºC. Gunther Köhler says 23-30ºC (in a very interesting book: Incubation of reptile eggs). As we see in the graph the egg has been below 22,5ºC several hours. Under this temperature the egg stops or slows dowm development. If we ignore those temperature when we calculate the mean incubating temperature, the result is 25,2ºC, not that much higher.</div>
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The mean temperatures are low. It looks again as it is a male. But there is something that I think is strange: we have had one of the hottest summers for decades. Common sense says if you have a very hot summer, the eggs are probably going to be females. In the middle third of incubation , the air temperature <u>in the shadow</u> has been almost every day over 30ºC, often over 35ºC and sometimes over 40ºC. The minimum temperatures have been most of the days over 20ºC and when they were below it, it was only for a few hours. This means heat. In spite of this, it looks as though it is a male. What happens in Canada, what sort of summers do they have? What are the air temperature needed (specially nocturnal) to reach a mean temperature of 29-30ºC in the nest?. <br />
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Maybe it is not the mean temperature what is important. Maybe it is the peak temperatures in a certain moment, or a number of hours over a certain temperature, or something else. At the end, what is happening in natural incubation is very different from artificial incubation.<br />
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Anyway I won't know until the terrapin reaches sexual maturity of I find information about it in a book or an article.<br />
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Talking about sex, someone told me you could sex Clemmys hatchlings by the chin color. I haven't found any conclusive difference between males and females at that age.</div>
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Regarding hatchlings coloration, the older ones already have the yellow spots. A comparison between a recently hatched and the ones born last month. With time the color appears.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Born yesterday, rounded in shape, with very pale spots</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Born in August, already flattened and with the spots already yellow</td></tr>
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I have also noticed that some of the hatchlings have the 5th vertebral scute spot orange instead or yellow. Some terrapins also have the supracaudal scutes brown reddish instead of black. </div>
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In August the 25th the last terrapin that I had in the incubator hatched. I was still on holidays and my grandmother looked after it. This means that 100% of the eggs incubated artificially hatched. Not 100% of the eggs because there is still one egg outdoors incubating naturally. </div>
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I have used two types of incubator: a Jaeguer and a home made one, using a tank heater and the eggs placed on a brick on the water. With the two types I have incubated eggs for male, at temperatures close to 25ºC and for female, at temperatures close to 30ºC. Both types have worked quite well, and the temperature oscillation through the incubation was also very similar.</div>
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Regarding humidity, I don't trust the data I have obtained. In the home made incubator it has been 100% most of the time, which is probably true. But in the Jaeguer, the humidity has been 0% for several weeks, difficult to believe. </div>
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The temperature has kept between 29,2ºC and 30ºC. The incubation lasted 45 days. The data logger recorded the temperature every hour. The days in which the temperature seems to drop suddenly correspond to me opening the incubator for some reason. </div>
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The strong oscillations of August the 18th and the 19th correspond to the day that I saw the egg collapsing (see older posts). I added water to the vermiculite and I opened the incubator several times to see what was happening. On the 20th and the 21st I lowered the temperature in an impulsive reaction when I realized the egg was dehydrating. I thought that this would help to rise up the humidity (it was probably not necessary and just moistening the vermiculite would have been enough). On the 22d, once the egg recovered, I slightly elevated the temperature.</div>
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<u>In the home made incubator</u></div>
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The temperature has moved between 28,4ºC and 29,4ºC. The temperature was not well calibrated in the beginning and I kept it closer to the 29ºC than the 30ºC. The incubation lasted 50 days.</div>
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I only have data from the home made incubator. The temperature has kept between 25-26ºC. The incubation lasted 64 days.</div>
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For some days the temperature was over 26ºC. It is probably explained because the room where I have the incubators reached that temperature. Although I have the incubators in the cooler room of the house, the temperature outdoors reached the 40ºC, and indoors it was also high.</div>
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In the incubators the temperature has been more or less the same through all the incubation. I imagine the situation is completely different in the egg outdoors. I don't know what is happening at egg level, but on the surface we have had one of the hottest summers for years. The terrapin has no hatched so far, but I still think it can happen. Just in case I have put a mesh over the nest area.</div>
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If the terrapin emerges and goes to the water, the adults will look at it as a prey. I checked it in last year's hatchling, bigger than a recently hatched terrapin. I had to rescue it from the female that took it with her mouth and was swimming to deeper waters. The hatchling tried to move away when the females chased him, and it still stimulated her more .</div>
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There is a data logger by the egg. It will be very interesting to compare the air temperature with the temperature at that level. And this would be still more interesting if a hatchling emerged.</div>
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On Sunday the 19th I began my holidays. One of the eggs that was ready to hatch, had not done it yet. At 5 o'clock in the afternoon I had to leave towards Castilla la Mancha. Five hours before, the egg started sweating.<br />
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At four o'clock the terrapin started opening the egg.<br />
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I took it with me. In Sagunto it left the egg and I had to clean her because the vermiculite stuck to the viteline sac. I put her on wet paper and two days later she had absorbed the sac.<br />
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This terrapin was incubated between 28,4 i 29,4ºC and it took 50 days to hatch. </div>
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Looking forward to the news of the eggs that I left home, I enjoy La Mancha, a fascinating dry land where a Clemmys is completely out of place.</div>
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Yesterday I visited Campo de Criptana, in the land of giants. Coming from Osa de la Vega, where I am staying, I drove the longest straight road of my life, 9,5km without turning the driving wheel. </div>
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